1 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,906 Holy crap, look! 2 00:00:19,930 --> 00:00:22,206 It was a perfect triangle just floating across the sky, 3 00:00:22,230 --> 00:00:23,616 way up there. 4 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,706 I think it was a spaceship of some sort. 5 00:00:26,730 --> 00:00:29,546 Aliens, first thing that I thought, 6 00:00:29,570 --> 00:00:30,890 but it scared the heck out of me. 7 00:00:32,610 --> 00:00:35,216 There's a lot of talk about the Tic Tac 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,280 actually being U.S. technology. 9 00:00:40,160 --> 00:00:41,766 And that is very interesting to me 10 00:00:41,790 --> 00:00:44,396 because you ask the pilots, and they say 11 00:00:44,420 --> 00:00:46,056 there is no possibility that that could be 12 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:47,766 a technology that we've made. 13 00:00:47,790 --> 00:00:49,896 If something doesn't look right, 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,986 we have to revise the way we think about reality, you know? 15 00:00:54,010 --> 00:00:56,776 Jacques, in discussing, he started 16 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:01,406 talking about some of these materials that he had from uap. 17 00:01:01,430 --> 00:01:03,906 Why would somebody alter magnesium? 18 00:01:03,930 --> 00:01:05,996 And it doesn't sound like something 19 00:01:06,020 --> 00:01:08,626 you would go throwing around a beach in Brazil. 20 00:01:08,650 --> 00:01:11,006 When people claim they know 21 00:01:11,030 --> 00:01:13,006 what this is about, whether it's some kind of fraud 22 00:01:13,030 --> 00:01:17,926 or it's some kind of mechanism, my eyes just roll. 23 00:01:17,950 --> 00:01:19,426 You either don't know what you're talking about, 24 00:01:19,450 --> 00:01:20,450 or you're lying. 25 00:01:21,870 --> 00:01:23,516 I can't tell you what's going on, 26 00:01:23,540 --> 00:01:25,436 but I can tell you this. 27 00:01:25,460 --> 00:01:29,420 If we ever figure it out, it's gonna change the world. 28 00:03:00,220 --> 00:03:01,776 I'd say there's... 29 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,526 A couple hundred of these slides in here. 30 00:03:03,550 --> 00:03:06,786 I mean, we can just go through them one after the other 31 00:03:06,810 --> 00:03:09,416 and just look at images. 32 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:14,546 I am looking at pictorial targets that were likely used 33 00:03:14,570 --> 00:03:17,046 for remote viewing subjects 34 00:03:17,070 --> 00:03:20,280 to test their remote viewing capacities. 35 00:03:22,070 --> 00:03:25,136 Remote viewing was a kind of military lingo 36 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,226 for what an earlier period would have called clairvoyance. 37 00:03:28,250 --> 00:03:31,766 Essentially, seeing what's happening at a distance. 38 00:03:31,790 --> 00:03:34,266 And the U.S. government 39 00:03:34,290 --> 00:03:36,396 and various U.S. intelligence agencies 40 00:03:36,420 --> 00:03:41,066 got very interested in these capacities in the 1970s. 41 00:03:41,090 --> 00:03:44,276 It's partly because the Soviet union was interested, 42 00:03:44,300 --> 00:03:48,060 and so there was a kind of parapsychological space race. 43 00:03:50,180 --> 00:03:53,746 Intelligence agencies basically trained a number 44 00:03:53,770 --> 00:03:57,916 of military professionals to become clairvoyant spies 45 00:03:57,940 --> 00:03:59,586 on the Soviet union. 46 00:03:59,610 --> 00:04:01,290 That's essentially what remote viewing is. 47 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,846 Russell targ is a laser physicist. 48 00:04:05,870 --> 00:04:08,806 He worked with another physicist named hal puthoff. 49 00:04:08,830 --> 00:04:12,266 They're the ones who ran the remote viewing program. 50 00:04:12,290 --> 00:04:13,976 Hal puthoff... he's in his 80s now. 51 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,646 He has been involved long, long time 52 00:04:15,670 --> 00:04:19,816 doing studies on remote viewing, 53 00:04:19,840 --> 00:04:21,446 all of it for the government. 54 00:04:21,470 --> 00:04:25,116 He knows a lot. He's a deep insider. 55 00:04:25,140 --> 00:04:26,946 The person who really led that program 56 00:04:26,970 --> 00:04:29,116 after Russell stepped down 57 00:04:29,140 --> 00:04:32,456 donated 50 to a hundred boxes of declassified material. 58 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,326 It's all right... It's all right here. 59 00:04:36,150 --> 00:04:37,796 Operation Stargate, 60 00:04:37,820 --> 00:04:40,206 the CIA so-called psychic spying program 61 00:04:40,230 --> 00:04:41,876 went on for about 20 years 62 00:04:41,900 --> 00:04:46,296 and its budget got cut during the Clinton administration, 63 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,346 when the post-cold war atmosphere 64 00:04:49,370 --> 00:04:51,806 was producing budget cuts 65 00:04:51,830 --> 00:04:54,476 in the military and intelligence, 66 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:57,686 and there is a debate to this day 67 00:04:57,710 --> 00:05:01,896 over the validity of the results that have emerged from Stargate. 68 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,486 They would put these in a slide machine. 69 00:05:05,510 --> 00:05:07,526 They'd throw the image up on the slide, 70 00:05:07,550 --> 00:05:09,156 and they would ask the remote viewer, 71 00:05:09,180 --> 00:05:10,366 who would be in another room 72 00:05:10,390 --> 00:05:12,326 or another building what was the image 73 00:05:12,350 --> 00:05:13,906 up on the screen at that moment, 74 00:05:13,930 --> 00:05:15,576 and they would have some system for determining 75 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,666 whether it was a hit or miss or a near miss or a near hit. 76 00:05:21,860 --> 00:05:24,506 People think that's all, you know, 77 00:05:24,530 --> 00:05:26,176 bogus, but it's not. 78 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,886 If you look at the actual studies and read the documents, 79 00:05:29,910 --> 00:05:32,750 remote viewing got great results. 80 00:05:36,460 --> 00:05:38,186 Essentially, it's the idea that we live 81 00:05:38,210 --> 00:05:40,606 in this infinitely entangled universe 82 00:05:40,630 --> 00:05:42,526 at the quantum level. 83 00:05:42,550 --> 00:05:48,736 Psychic espionage is really just a matter of indexing 84 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:53,076 a kind of place in time, in time-space, 85 00:05:53,100 --> 00:05:55,956 that allows the psyche of the investigator 86 00:05:55,980 --> 00:05:58,036 to target them. 87 00:06:03,070 --> 00:06:05,876 I'm hal puthoff from Stanford university, 88 00:06:05,900 --> 00:06:09,386 phd in quantum electronics. 89 00:06:09,410 --> 00:06:11,716 Remote viewing in the old days 90 00:06:11,740 --> 00:06:14,636 used to call remote viewing, esp. 91 00:06:14,660 --> 00:06:17,556 That is the ability of people to sense things 92 00:06:17,580 --> 00:06:21,476 or to pick up information from remote locations 93 00:06:21,500 --> 00:06:24,816 or hidden locations and so on. 94 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:27,606 I wasn't particularly interested in the topic. 95 00:06:27,630 --> 00:06:29,656 It was only because there was an individual 96 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:36,956 who had demonstrated the ability to "see" inside a device, 97 00:06:36,980 --> 00:06:41,126 a very high tech magnetometer at Stanford university, 98 00:06:41,150 --> 00:06:43,746 and so this fellow by the name of ingo Swann was asked 99 00:06:43,770 --> 00:06:47,166 to demonstrate his ability, and he did. 100 00:06:47,190 --> 00:06:49,796 It was absolutely amazing to me as a physicist. 101 00:06:49,820 --> 00:06:52,596 I can't imagine, you know, anything like this occurring. 102 00:06:52,620 --> 00:06:56,596 Well, suddenly the CIA descended on my doorstep, 103 00:06:56,620 --> 00:06:59,476 and they said, "have we been looking for you." 104 00:06:59,500 --> 00:07:01,306 And I said, "why?" You know, "what did I do?" 105 00:07:01,330 --> 00:07:04,776 And they said, "well we saw that early in your career 106 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,316 you were a naval intelligence officer, 107 00:07:07,340 --> 00:07:08,816 used to be in NSA." 108 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:11,986 So I was at Sri, and I was a physicist 109 00:07:12,010 --> 00:07:14,696 instead of a psychologist, which they took to be a plus. 110 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,706 And they saw that this experiment had occurred, 111 00:07:18,730 --> 00:07:20,996 and they said, "what we're dealing with" 112 00:07:21,020 --> 00:07:23,996 is that the Russians have been spending millions of dollars 113 00:07:24,020 --> 00:07:26,546 at their best institutes for some of their best people 114 00:07:26,570 --> 00:07:31,176 for years on, 'esp research, ' 115 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,636 so we were wondering, would you be willing to set up 116 00:07:34,660 --> 00:07:37,216 "a small program to look into it?" 117 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,306 So, I founded the program in '72. 118 00:07:43,670 --> 00:07:46,856 And it turned out there were remote viewers who were 119 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,856 able to see into hidden places and remote locations 120 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,486 with some degree of accuracy. I mean, not 100%, 121 00:07:53,510 --> 00:07:56,656 but more than an ordinary physicist 122 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,326 could seemingly account for. 123 00:07:59,350 --> 00:08:01,666 And so we agreed to do a series of experiments. 124 00:08:01,690 --> 00:08:04,496 Here, the experiment is repeated, 125 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,166 this time with puthoff as a sender. 126 00:08:08,190 --> 00:08:10,336 This is a drawing that geller has made 127 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,506 to correspond to the target object. 128 00:08:12,530 --> 00:08:15,176 As you can see, he is quite elated 129 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:16,846 about getting the right answer. 130 00:08:18,740 --> 00:08:22,516 Here in the laboratory notebook, on the left side of the page 131 00:08:22,540 --> 00:08:24,556 you see the original targets, 132 00:08:24,580 --> 00:08:26,856 and on the right, geller's responses. 133 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,026 This is not a collection of correct answers 134 00:08:29,050 --> 00:08:32,776 out of a long series of correct and incorrect responses. 135 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,026 This is actually the total run of pictures in a series. 136 00:08:36,050 --> 00:08:38,760 It is interesting that there is often a mirror symmetry. 137 00:08:41,770 --> 00:08:45,876 I was at Sri before them, working on the arpanet, 138 00:08:45,900 --> 00:08:47,746 which became the Internet. 139 00:08:49,900 --> 00:08:53,716 Sri had machine number 2 on the Internet. 140 00:08:53,740 --> 00:08:55,716 Okay, so it was a significant place 141 00:08:55,740 --> 00:08:57,886 at the time in software development 142 00:08:57,910 --> 00:09:00,386 before what became, you know, the Internet. 143 00:09:01,910 --> 00:09:05,556 The director of our branch came into my office 144 00:09:05,580 --> 00:09:08,226 and closed the door and said there is a proposal 145 00:09:08,250 --> 00:09:12,066 to do parapsychology research at Sri. 146 00:09:12,090 --> 00:09:14,066 He said, "let me draw you a picture," 147 00:09:14,090 --> 00:09:16,486 and he went to my white board, 148 00:09:16,510 --> 00:09:18,156 and he drew a scale. 149 00:09:18,180 --> 00:09:21,246 On one side he put a big cube, 150 00:09:21,270 --> 00:09:23,246 and he wrote, "a hundred million dollars," 151 00:09:23,270 --> 00:09:26,246 which was his budget, 152 00:09:26,270 --> 00:09:29,626 and then he put a little dot here that said, 153 00:09:29,650 --> 00:09:31,296 "$1 million," 154 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,916 which was research that puthoff and targ 155 00:09:33,940 --> 00:09:36,586 wanted to do parapsychology, 156 00:09:36,610 --> 00:09:39,596 and he said, "we're going to jeopardize" 157 00:09:39,620 --> 00:09:41,846 a hundred million dollars of research 158 00:09:41,870 --> 00:09:46,096 with IBM, ATandT, intel, xerox... 159 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,646 Major corporate america companies 160 00:09:49,670 --> 00:09:53,436 by doing this research on parapsychology 161 00:09:53,460 --> 00:09:55,986 where, you know, we may be subject 162 00:09:56,010 --> 00:09:58,866 "to a lot of ridicule. We may not find anything." 163 00:09:58,890 --> 00:10:02,786 And he said, "you've been able to keep your reputation, 164 00:10:02,810 --> 00:10:06,786 you know, in science when studying ufos. 165 00:10:06,810 --> 00:10:08,786 How did you do it?" 166 00:10:08,810 --> 00:10:13,706 And I said, "well, you know the solution may be to keep 167 00:10:13,730 --> 00:10:17,626 that research classified," 168 00:10:17,650 --> 00:10:20,676 not because there were big secrets, you know, 169 00:10:20,700 --> 00:10:25,346 for the next atom bomb, but because if you announce it 170 00:10:25,370 --> 00:10:28,016 on day one, everybody is going to attack us. 171 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:33,816 We should let puthoff and targ run laboratory here. 172 00:10:36,550 --> 00:10:41,066 It became an extraordinary program at Sri, 173 00:10:41,090 --> 00:10:45,076 Stanford research institute, on remote viewing. 174 00:10:45,100 --> 00:10:46,996 We ended up training 175 00:10:47,020 --> 00:10:51,536 army intelligence remote viewers to learn to tap into this. 176 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:54,416 So, that's how the whole remote viewing program took off. 177 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,886 One of our very first operational cases that we did 178 00:11:01,910 --> 00:11:05,596 for the CIA was they wanted to know 179 00:11:05,620 --> 00:11:11,186 about a research facility in the Soviet union. 180 00:11:11,210 --> 00:11:13,726 Semipalatinsk was the name of it. 181 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,026 We had no idea what was there, 182 00:11:21,050 --> 00:11:23,696 but we had really good remote viewer. 183 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,196 So, we just gave him coordinates and said, 184 00:11:26,220 --> 00:11:28,406 "tell us what you see there." 185 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,206 He drew a giant crane. 186 00:11:36,230 --> 00:11:38,796 He said it was so large it ran over the top of a building 187 00:11:38,820 --> 00:11:41,926 and said that they were building these giant spheres there, 188 00:11:41,950 --> 00:11:44,426 60 foot in diameter. 189 00:11:44,450 --> 00:11:47,266 And so he gave a really terrific description 190 00:11:47,290 --> 00:11:51,436 and turned out the information was really quite accurate, 191 00:11:51,460 --> 00:11:54,266 so the CIA spent a week having him wander 192 00:11:54,290 --> 00:11:56,226 through this facility in the Soviet union, 193 00:11:56,250 --> 00:11:58,106 describing everything he saw. 194 00:11:58,130 --> 00:12:01,066 And so it was evaluated by a number of elements 195 00:12:01,090 --> 00:12:03,986 of the agency and other outside contractors. 196 00:12:04,010 --> 00:12:06,786 And they were absolutely amazed. 197 00:12:14,940 --> 00:12:16,626 That was a major thing. 198 00:12:16,650 --> 00:12:20,586 Another critical one was that there was 199 00:12:20,610 --> 00:12:24,256 a Libyan pilot who flew Soviet airplanes. 200 00:12:26,450 --> 00:12:32,266 And, he was going to turn the plane over to... to us. 201 00:12:32,290 --> 00:12:34,646 But after he was in the air, he got cold feet, 202 00:12:34,670 --> 00:12:37,146 and he realized, "my god, the kgb will, you know, 203 00:12:37,170 --> 00:12:38,526 chase me the rest of my life." 204 00:12:38,550 --> 00:12:41,776 So, he just bailed out of the plane and he said, 205 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,026 "okay, I had a problem with the plane, 206 00:12:44,050 --> 00:12:45,446 and I just bailed out." 207 00:12:45,470 --> 00:12:47,986 So the plane just ran till it ran out of gas 208 00:12:48,010 --> 00:12:50,036 and, you know, crashed in Africa. 209 00:12:53,020 --> 00:12:55,626 Shortly after Carter left the presidency, 210 00:12:55,650 --> 00:12:56,996 he was addressing a group of students, 211 00:12:57,020 --> 00:12:59,296 at Emory university in Atlanta, 212 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:06,296 and he related the account of how a Soviet spy plane 213 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:11,136 had crashed in central Africa, and this spy plane contained 214 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,646 lots of valuable espionage technology, 215 00:13:15,670 --> 00:13:17,306 so there were recon teams 216 00:13:17,330 --> 00:13:19,816 from both the U.S. side and the Soviet side 217 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,856 that were racing to find this wreckage 218 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,646 and either secure it or procure it. 219 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:27,906 When president Carter 220 00:13:27,930 --> 00:13:29,526 was briefed on the plane going down, 221 00:13:29,550 --> 00:13:31,826 Stan Turner, who was the CIA director, said, 222 00:13:31,850 --> 00:13:33,866 "well, you know, we've got these remote viewers. 223 00:13:33,890 --> 00:13:35,996 Maybe they can find the plane." 224 00:13:36,020 --> 00:13:38,996 So, we put two of our best remote viewers on it. 225 00:13:39,020 --> 00:13:41,086 Long story short, they made an excellent map 226 00:13:41,110 --> 00:13:43,416 that was within three miles of where that plane crashed, 227 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,086 so the CIA was able to go in and get the plane, 228 00:13:46,110 --> 00:13:48,176 of course, before the Russians even knew where it was. 229 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,886 So, those are the kind of operational things 230 00:13:50,910 --> 00:13:54,516 that we would do as it came up. 231 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,056 Data that, in fact, the Russians were doing 232 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:00,766 exactly this kind of stuff. 233 00:14:00,790 --> 00:14:03,856 In fact, when the CIA came to me at Sri and said, 234 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,606 "we'd like for you to look into this," 235 00:14:05,630 --> 00:14:10,366 they plopped a telephone-sized book down on my desk 236 00:14:10,390 --> 00:14:14,366 that was full of Russian work in this area, 237 00:14:14,390 --> 00:14:16,746 and so that's why they knew that they took it seriously. 238 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,796 Afterwards, Carter was subjected to mockery 239 00:14:25,820 --> 00:14:27,376 the notion that you could believe 240 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,046 that this remote viewing program had actually produced 241 00:14:31,070 --> 00:14:33,966 actionable intelligence was held up to ridicule, 242 00:14:33,990 --> 00:14:36,766 but of course Carter is a nuclear engineer. 243 00:14:36,790 --> 00:14:42,316 He's speaking from a place of informed inquiry. 244 00:14:42,340 --> 00:14:47,066 He's at the top level of executive oversight. 245 00:14:47,090 --> 00:14:49,566 He has access to the information. 246 00:14:49,590 --> 00:14:52,076 This is obviously an informed account. 247 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:55,826 But it's very easy for an observer 248 00:14:55,850 --> 00:14:58,416 to just say, "there goes old Jimmy again 249 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,166 talking about little green men or what have you." 250 00:15:01,190 --> 00:15:02,710 It was the easiest thing in the world. 251 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,916 The stigma that was originally, you know, 252 00:15:06,940 --> 00:15:10,466 forefront for things like esp research, 253 00:15:10,490 --> 00:15:14,256 remote viewing, ufo research, and so on 254 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:19,436 were very high back in, you know, the '60s and '70s, 255 00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:22,606 but because now it's become clear 256 00:15:22,630 --> 00:15:24,766 and much of the information in both 257 00:15:24,790 --> 00:15:27,606 the remote viewing program that was highly classified, 258 00:15:27,630 --> 00:15:30,156 and in the uap program that was highly classified. 259 00:15:30,180 --> 00:15:32,946 Since much of that has been declassified, 260 00:15:32,970 --> 00:15:34,826 is now available to the public. 261 00:15:36,970 --> 00:15:40,326 Scientists are beginning to realize that, 262 00:15:40,350 --> 00:15:44,166 "well, there appears to be more to this than we thought." 263 00:15:49,900 --> 00:15:51,296 When people say that the government 264 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,636 had no interests in ufos and uap, we think, 265 00:15:53,660 --> 00:15:56,056 "well, we know that they were interested in psychic abilities 266 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,846 and experiments with LSD and psychedelics 267 00:15:59,870 --> 00:16:01,726 and all sorts of weird and wonderful things 268 00:16:01,750 --> 00:16:04,976 from... from decades ago, why wouldn't they be interested 269 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,516 in ufos and uap? 270 00:16:08,590 --> 00:16:09,896 What's really fascinating about that 271 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:14,236 is the overlap between the people who were part 272 00:16:14,260 --> 00:16:16,826 of these programs back in, like, the '70s, 273 00:16:16,850 --> 00:16:20,906 and the ufo community, as it exists now, 274 00:16:20,930 --> 00:16:23,826 the people whose names most people will know, 275 00:16:23,850 --> 00:16:26,336 that are still in the community, 276 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,666 are still going on podcasts, are still talking about this. 277 00:16:28,690 --> 00:16:30,216 A lot of them were involved 278 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,676 in these remote viewing programs decades ago. 279 00:16:35,030 --> 00:16:36,546 I tend in the direction 280 00:16:36,570 --> 00:16:39,516 that, if there were a major planetary uap event 281 00:16:39,540 --> 00:16:42,596 that forced all governments and all peoples 282 00:16:42,620 --> 00:16:47,066 to realize that this is an absolutely real thing. 283 00:16:48,550 --> 00:16:51,026 I'm of the opinion that it'd be more likely 284 00:16:51,050 --> 00:16:58,406 to unite our viewpoints than to result in panic. 285 00:16:58,430 --> 00:17:02,286 These uap events are definitely beyond our engineering, 286 00:17:02,310 --> 00:17:04,576 but not beyond our physics. 287 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,786 I made a list of what are all the weird things that people 288 00:17:06,810 --> 00:17:11,206 have claimed associated with observation of uap, 289 00:17:11,230 --> 00:17:14,926 and there are a lot of weird things. 290 00:17:14,950 --> 00:17:19,216 And suppose Einstein's equation for general relativity, 291 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,226 you know, black holes and astrophysics, 292 00:17:22,250 --> 00:17:24,936 to access those things that general relativity says 293 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,106 that in principle you could, with warp drive and wormholes 294 00:17:28,130 --> 00:17:30,436 and all that kind of stuff takes enormous amounts 295 00:17:30,460 --> 00:17:34,736 of concentrated energy at infinitesimal volumes, 296 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,236 and we just don't have that. 297 00:17:37,260 --> 00:17:39,276 So, I would say it's not beyond our physics. 298 00:17:39,300 --> 00:17:41,236 We can understand the physics, 299 00:17:41,260 --> 00:17:43,116 but it is definitely beyond our engineering. 300 00:17:43,140 --> 00:17:45,416 So, given that that's the case, that's another reason 301 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,416 why I think the source of the phenomena 302 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:54,126 is not black programs and Russia, China or the us, 303 00:17:54,150 --> 00:17:56,070 but really from some other source. 304 00:18:00,660 --> 00:18:02,016 My god, what was that? 305 00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:10,146 Yeah, am I a believer in ufos? 306 00:18:10,170 --> 00:18:11,686 I mean, it's such a funny, funny, funny word 307 00:18:11,710 --> 00:18:13,646 to a scientist. 308 00:18:13,670 --> 00:18:15,986 Do I have data that makes me think 309 00:18:16,010 --> 00:18:17,606 there's something there of value 310 00:18:17,630 --> 00:18:19,986 to examine and come to grips with? 311 00:18:20,010 --> 00:18:23,616 Absolutely. Does that make me "a believer"? 312 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,036 Well, I mean, for a scientist, 313 00:18:26,060 --> 00:18:29,286 it's data that counts, not opinion about the data. 314 00:18:29,310 --> 00:18:31,876 So, we need more data. 315 00:19:03,890 --> 00:19:06,156 I think the human being is 316 00:19:06,180 --> 00:19:08,706 the ultimate special effects projector. 317 00:19:08,730 --> 00:19:10,536 I think human beings 318 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,376 are able to project special effects, 319 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,506 real special effects, into the physical environment 320 00:19:17,530 --> 00:19:20,086 and often change things physically, 321 00:19:20,110 --> 00:19:23,346 and that's why I always say I think the human is really... 322 00:19:23,370 --> 00:19:27,056 Is a superhuman, but on kind of an unconscious 323 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,686 kind of unaware level. 324 00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:32,856 What remote viewing or precognition 325 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,186 or any of these abilities strongly imply 326 00:19:35,210 --> 00:19:37,526 is that we can actually get information 327 00:19:37,550 --> 00:19:41,236 from great distances in space or... and/or time. 328 00:19:41,260 --> 00:19:43,366 You would think that there must be 329 00:19:43,390 --> 00:19:45,696 special people that are able to do this. 330 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,366 In fact, what we found was, it's sort of a bell curve. 331 00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:51,956 So just like with athletic ability or music ability, 332 00:19:51,980 --> 00:19:54,126 everyone seems to have this to some degree. 333 00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:57,586 I mean, you get superstars at one end of the bell curve 334 00:19:57,610 --> 00:20:00,586 and duds at the other end, but to some degree, 335 00:20:00,610 --> 00:20:01,886 anyone could be trained. 336 00:20:03,490 --> 00:20:06,966 Well, okay, that's... What do you do with that? 337 00:20:06,990 --> 00:20:09,266 I mean, that radically shifts what you think a human being is. 338 00:20:09,290 --> 00:20:11,896 And I think that's why it's resisted. 339 00:20:15,170 --> 00:20:17,396 If you study religion, you know, there are a number 340 00:20:17,420 --> 00:20:19,816 of what I would call universals in the sense 341 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,656 that they happen everywhere as far as we can see back. 342 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,116 And one of the most common religious rituals is divination, 343 00:20:26,140 --> 00:20:27,946 the ability to know what's going to happen 344 00:20:27,970 --> 00:20:32,786 before it happens. 345 00:20:32,810 --> 00:20:35,746 Modern writers are very gifted 346 00:20:35,770 --> 00:20:38,166 at explaining their own experiences. 347 00:20:38,190 --> 00:20:41,166 The person I always write about is Mark twain. 348 00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:44,176 Twain, or Samuel clemens, 349 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,926 was viciously funny and critical of everything, 350 00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:51,266 but he was completely convinced 351 00:20:51,290 --> 00:20:53,516 that he had had these precognitive experiences. 352 00:20:53,540 --> 00:20:56,646 He called it mental telegraphy. 353 00:20:56,670 --> 00:20:58,646 'Cause he knew if he wrote about it, 354 00:20:58,670 --> 00:21:00,436 he would be made fun of. 355 00:21:00,460 --> 00:21:03,606 And so there's this really funny moment where he gives 356 00:21:03,630 --> 00:21:05,486 this essay called mental telegraphy 357 00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:08,786 to a very famous magazine in the 19th century, 358 00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:12,456 and he asks that they publish it anonymously 359 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,956 and you can just see the editor going like, 360 00:21:14,980 --> 00:21:17,126 "you're Mark twain, I'm not going to do that." 361 00:21:17,150 --> 00:21:20,836 The precognitive dream he relates is actually 362 00:21:20,860 --> 00:21:23,796 about his brother's death. It's... it's not a happy event. 363 00:21:23,820 --> 00:21:25,966 It's a tragic event. 364 00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:28,966 He linked this phenomenon to his own literary creativity, 365 00:21:28,990 --> 00:21:30,006 by the way. 366 00:21:30,030 --> 00:21:33,476 He got ideas for stories 367 00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:36,146 through channels that were not normal, 368 00:21:36,170 --> 00:21:38,976 but he didn't have some kind of religious model for it. 369 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,486 He just felt this was part of reality, part of what he did. 370 00:21:55,060 --> 00:21:57,376 I wrote the book called le sub-espace, 371 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,836 and it got the Jules vernes prize in France, 372 00:22:00,860 --> 00:22:04,506 but the idea was that the... 373 00:22:04,530 --> 00:22:10,096 A group of scientists in France were aware of strange lights 374 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:13,676 that were seen outside, but they also came 375 00:22:13,700 --> 00:22:17,186 inside houses and inside buildings, 376 00:22:17,210 --> 00:22:19,106 and they couldn't understand what those were. 377 00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:23,396 This is 1961, 1962. 378 00:22:23,420 --> 00:22:28,026 I wanted to posit the concept 379 00:22:28,050 --> 00:22:31,366 that those were not necessarily e.T.S, 380 00:22:31,390 --> 00:22:33,536 that it was something else. 381 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,616 It turns out that today people are seeing 382 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,706 globes of light. 383 00:22:38,730 --> 00:22:41,456 They become material when they are here, 384 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,416 but the rest of the time they are not material, 385 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,876 which is why they can go through this wall 386 00:22:47,900 --> 00:22:51,216 and they can transform into lights 387 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,596 or they can transform into globes, 388 00:22:53,620 --> 00:22:57,096 into balls of light, 389 00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:02,066 snot in our normal universe but in a subset of universe 390 00:23:02,090 --> 00:23:04,316 I call subspace. 391 00:23:04,340 --> 00:23:07,396 And these creatures exist in subspace, 392 00:23:07,420 --> 00:23:11,156 and they can come into our world 393 00:23:11,180 --> 00:23:13,826 through a number of different media, 394 00:23:13,850 --> 00:23:16,076 some of which are flying saucers. 395 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,496 This is a debate that people are beginning to have now 396 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,746 in the United States. 397 00:23:26,980 --> 00:23:29,966 Jacques vallée has been the primary person 398 00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:32,796 who has brought up, "let's have a broader viewpoint 399 00:23:32,820 --> 00:23:35,136 that maybe it isn't just ets coming 400 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,596 from some galaxy far away." 401 00:23:37,620 --> 00:23:39,266 You know, maybe it's inter dimensional. 402 00:23:42,460 --> 00:23:45,686 Whether it's inter dimensional, time travelers from the future, 403 00:23:45,710 --> 00:23:48,276 or maybe some sequestered group 404 00:23:48,300 --> 00:23:50,656 hiding out below the seabed or something, 405 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,486 I think we have to open up our mental telescope 406 00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:59,206 to take in more than just, you know, wayfarers 407 00:23:59,230 --> 00:24:00,786 coming in from other galaxies. 408 00:24:00,810 --> 00:24:02,626 There's a lot of different versions 409 00:24:02,650 --> 00:24:05,666 of the inter dimensional hypothesis. 410 00:24:05,690 --> 00:24:08,006 That's a tough one because we don't actually know 411 00:24:08,030 --> 00:24:11,296 what other dimensions are or if... if they even exist. 412 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,216 It's kind of like string theory and quantum theory, 413 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,386 but we don't actually have any proof that they exist. 414 00:24:16,410 --> 00:24:18,886 They just kind of help us solve problems at this point, 415 00:24:18,910 --> 00:24:20,636 and so that hypothesis can kind of take any weirdness 416 00:24:20,660 --> 00:24:22,346 that you put on it. 417 00:24:22,370 --> 00:24:28,026 I was studying advanced physics for a phd, 418 00:24:28,050 --> 00:24:30,856 and the advanced physics says there are more 419 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,406 than four dimensions. 420 00:24:32,430 --> 00:24:34,736 You know, there are more than just time and space. 421 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,866 And there may be other universes. 422 00:24:37,890 --> 00:24:39,536 I mean, this is classical physics. 423 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,536 It's not science fiction. 424 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,036 They don't relate it to ufos, but maybe they should, 425 00:24:45,060 --> 00:24:46,336 you know, at some point. 426 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,416 I think that actually one of the biggest secrets 427 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,216 about the ufo phenomenon 428 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,216 is that it's not about craft and technology, 429 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,886 that the people who know the most about it 430 00:24:58,910 --> 00:25:01,266 and have been doing this the longest, 431 00:25:01,290 --> 00:25:03,686 the thing that they're actually interested in 432 00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:07,186 is consciousness and human potential, 433 00:25:07,210 --> 00:25:09,936 that those are the things that they care about the most. 434 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,696 There is a convergence today 435 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,536 between the question of ufos 436 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,876 and the question of extra physical experience. 437 00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:29,046 When I was growing up, the outlook on ufos, 438 00:25:29,070 --> 00:25:31,876 if one took seriously the ufo thesis, was, 439 00:25:31,900 --> 00:25:34,256 "well, maybe they're E.T. craft," 440 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:39,756 and what would it take for some kind of mechanical vehicle 441 00:25:39,780 --> 00:25:46,436 to span such distances?" But in the past few decades, 442 00:25:46,460 --> 00:25:52,896 I would say that the thesis around ufo phenomena, 443 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,776 if one takes seriously that it's something 444 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,066 that goes outside of ordinary observation, 445 00:25:58,090 --> 00:26:02,496 is that these experiences might be 446 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,286 from different intersections of time or different dimensions, 447 00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:09,086 which when first said, sounds very, very far out. 448 00:26:11,650 --> 00:26:14,586 But we've known since the age of Einstein 449 00:26:14,610 --> 00:26:16,506 that time is conditional, 450 00:26:16,530 --> 00:26:20,966 that one has to logically account for the existence 451 00:26:20,990 --> 00:26:23,636 of an infinitude of simultaneous events. 452 00:26:25,710 --> 00:26:28,266 People will talk about cosmic wormholes 453 00:26:28,290 --> 00:26:30,936 whereby you introduce some exotic matter 454 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,776 into a mix of events, 455 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,446 and you're able to bend space-time. 456 00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:38,606 These are all just conceptual models, 457 00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:41,276 but it seems to me that the concepts 458 00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:44,116 are better developed around interdimensionality 459 00:26:44,140 --> 00:26:46,456 than they are around extraterrestriality, 460 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,326 which doesn't mean that only one thing is happening. 461 00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:50,706 There could be a whole complexity of things 462 00:26:50,730 --> 00:26:52,666 that are occurring. 463 00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:00,796 The fact is, if we are experiencing evidence 464 00:27:00,820 --> 00:27:05,176 from academic psychical research, esp research, 465 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,636 that the psyche is capable 466 00:27:07,660 --> 00:27:11,146 of receiving and transmitting information 467 00:27:11,170 --> 00:27:16,396 in anomalous ways that may indicate the capacity 468 00:27:16,420 --> 00:27:19,196 of the psyche to travel among different intersections of time, 469 00:27:19,220 --> 00:27:24,196 from which that information presumably emanates. 470 00:27:24,220 --> 00:27:30,206 That is possibly parallel to exactly what's going on 471 00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:33,916 when people report ufo encounters 472 00:27:33,940 --> 00:27:36,376 or abduction experiences, 473 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,336 so part of the complexity of human nature 474 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:42,506 is that we are all conditioned to think 475 00:27:42,530 --> 00:27:46,346 in terms of magic bullet theories behind events 476 00:27:46,370 --> 00:27:49,346 as though to say there's just one antecedent, 477 00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:51,686 and if we can find that we'll get to the truth, 478 00:27:51,710 --> 00:27:54,566 whereas there's probably a complexity of antecedents. 479 00:28:07,260 --> 00:28:09,956 I was very into space. 480 00:28:09,980 --> 00:28:11,366 I've wanted to go to the moon. 481 00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:13,876 I wanted to be with NASA, every bit of that. 482 00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:16,876 In college, I started out in astrophysics, 483 00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:20,086 but then I spent a summer working in the hospital 484 00:28:20,110 --> 00:28:21,966 or in an operating room as an orderly, 485 00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:25,716 and I really fell in love with taking care of patients. 486 00:28:25,740 --> 00:28:28,306 My dad, of course, was a globally renowned neurosurgeon, 487 00:28:28,330 --> 00:28:31,266 and so I knew how much he loved working with patients 488 00:28:31,290 --> 00:28:32,596 and he loved neurosurgery. 489 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,556 In the back of my mind I thought, 490 00:28:35,580 --> 00:28:36,896 "well I'll go to medical school but I'm not going to go 491 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,066 into neurosurgery." 492 00:28:39,090 --> 00:28:41,606 That lasted until I did a neurosurgery rotation 493 00:28:41,630 --> 00:28:44,236 for two weeks, and I fell in love with it 494 00:28:44,260 --> 00:28:45,986 and, you know, I've never looked back. 495 00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:51,286 You go in and in one day, with your hands, 496 00:28:51,310 --> 00:28:54,246 you try to affect someone's life for the better. 497 00:29:00,650 --> 00:29:02,166 Probably every two or three months, 498 00:29:02,190 --> 00:29:05,086 I would hear fairly compelling stories 499 00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:06,926 of near-death experiences or shared death 500 00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:10,096 or after-death communications 501 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,926 that should have gotten my attention, 502 00:29:11,950 --> 00:29:14,096 but I kept dismissing them, 503 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,856 thinking, "no," you know, "that's wishful thinking. 504 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,356 We don't have any way of proving that. 505 00:29:18,380 --> 00:29:21,106 No, we don't seem to have memories of past lives. 506 00:29:21,130 --> 00:29:22,970 "I don't know that I believe in reincarnation." 507 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,526 Certainly having my own personal experience 508 00:29:28,550 --> 00:29:31,786 went light-years towards opening me up 509 00:29:31,810 --> 00:29:35,116 to accepting and admitting this beautiful kind of expansion 510 00:29:35,140 --> 00:29:37,786 in our knowledge of ourselves and the universe. 511 00:29:41,530 --> 00:29:44,296 It was such a mundane day. 512 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,836 It was one of the most unremarkable days 513 00:29:45,860 --> 00:29:47,296 you could imagine, 514 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,240 other than it just being a beautiful family day. 515 00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:53,806 But then at 4:30 in the morning November 10th, 516 00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:56,976 all that changed very dramatically, very quickly. 517 00:30:08,390 --> 00:30:10,576 Well, I had... 518 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,246 It was a gram-negative bacterial men in go encephalitis. 519 00:30:14,270 --> 00:30:17,916 Basically, the worst kind of meningitis to have. 520 00:30:17,940 --> 00:30:21,666 For e.Coli meningitis, the numbers are well up there 521 00:30:21,690 --> 00:30:24,216 over 50% for the people who die from it, 522 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,426 but it's especially bad for people 523 00:30:26,450 --> 00:30:29,426 who, for example, spend a week in coma like I did. 524 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,926 In fact, when the three doctors who wrote the case report, 525 00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:35,516 they sent it to the journal of nervous and mental diseases 526 00:30:35,540 --> 00:30:38,686 for publication September 2018. 527 00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:41,106 The... the peer review scientific editor 528 00:30:41,130 --> 00:30:43,896 said, "wait a minute. This case is absurd." 529 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,106 Nothing like this precedes it in the medical literature. 530 00:30:47,130 --> 00:30:49,196 "How do you explain this recovery?" 531 00:30:49,220 --> 00:30:51,680 And they said, "it's because he had a near-death experience." 532 00:30:55,770 --> 00:30:57,916 So, it all started in a very primitive way. 533 00:31:01,110 --> 00:31:04,586 There came a slowly spinning white light. 534 00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:07,876 This white light had fine silver and golden tendrils, 535 00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:10,636 and it came towards me, very slowly spinning, 536 00:31:10,660 --> 00:31:12,556 and as it did so, I realized 537 00:31:12,580 --> 00:31:15,056 it came with a perfect musical melody. 538 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,226 The first time it happened, the light twirl took me up 539 00:31:20,250 --> 00:31:22,606 into this brilliant ultra-real gateway valley. 540 00:31:24,250 --> 00:31:25,726 It had many earth-like features. 541 00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:27,436 I mean, there was this Meadow 542 00:31:27,460 --> 00:31:29,906 that was lush and fertile and beautiful 543 00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:31,816 surrounded by forests, 544 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,906 waterfalls and crystal-blue ponds, 545 00:31:33,930 --> 00:31:36,406 beautiful billowing clouds of pure color 546 00:31:36,430 --> 00:31:38,326 against a blue, black velvety sky. 547 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,746 Thousands of beings dancing down in this Meadow. 548 00:31:44,770 --> 00:31:47,166 I had no body awareness at any point. 549 00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:50,086 I was simply an observer, and what I observed, 550 00:31:50,110 --> 00:31:52,280 I was a speck of awareness on a butterfly wing. 551 00:31:55,330 --> 00:31:57,096 There were millions of other butterflies 552 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,306 that were looping and spiraling in these vast formations. 553 00:32:00,330 --> 00:32:03,606 And the best part about it, as I've said, I wasn't alone. 554 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,856 You feel that, like a big hello 555 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,776 from this god-force of pure love. 556 00:32:11,130 --> 00:32:12,946 I was told, "you're not here to stay. 557 00:32:12,970 --> 00:32:16,536 We'll teach you many things. You'll be going back." 558 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:21,366 And that happened. I would just tumble back down, 559 00:32:21,390 --> 00:32:24,166 but it was by remembering the musical notes of the melody 560 00:32:24,190 --> 00:32:27,956 that I could conjure up that light portal 561 00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:29,966 and these spiritual realms. 562 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,806 The actual kind of awakening 563 00:32:38,830 --> 00:32:40,176 that my family witnessed 564 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,346 where I was fighting the ventilator, 565 00:32:42,370 --> 00:32:43,806 and then when they pulled the breathing tube out, 566 00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:45,806 I said, "thank you" 567 00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:48,566 I have only the vaguest glimmer of a memory of that. 568 00:32:48,590 --> 00:32:50,816 Although my youngest sister, Phyllis, who was there, 569 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,316 told me I did very shortly, like, literally 570 00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:55,156 within ten or 20 minutes of the breathing tube coming out 571 00:32:55,180 --> 00:32:57,656 she said I was sitting there on the bed 572 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,406 looking around at everyone in the room, 573 00:32:59,430 --> 00:33:01,326 and I would look them in the eyes and say, 574 00:33:01,350 --> 00:33:04,666 "don't worry. All is well." 575 00:33:08,860 --> 00:33:10,336 What I had been through was astonishing. 576 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,006 I wanted to tell everybody about it, 577 00:33:12,030 --> 00:33:13,426 but my doctors were trying to tell me, 578 00:33:13,450 --> 00:33:15,046 "yes, you were very sick." 579 00:33:15,070 --> 00:33:16,596 Your brain was soaking in pus. 580 00:33:16,620 --> 00:33:18,176 We don't even know how you are coming back to us now, 581 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,846 but you can forget about it 582 00:33:19,870 --> 00:33:21,846 "because a dying brain plays all kinds of tricks." 583 00:33:21,870 --> 00:33:25,396 I just thought, "okay, hallucination, 584 00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:28,356 vast hallucination, bad meningitis, I get it." 585 00:33:28,380 --> 00:33:31,066 And that's what I tried to tell my son. 586 00:33:31,090 --> 00:33:33,696 He had been at the bedside while I was deep in coma. 587 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,366 He knew something very unusual was going on, 588 00:33:37,390 --> 00:33:40,576 and he told me, "write everything down 589 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,706 before you read anyone else's near-death account." 590 00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:46,036 So, I forced myself. 591 00:33:46,060 --> 00:33:48,536 I didn't read any near-death experiences, 592 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,586 and I just wrote down about 20,000 words 593 00:33:50,610 --> 00:33:53,046 over five to six weeks of my memories 594 00:33:53,070 --> 00:33:54,216 of my deep experience. 595 00:33:59,950 --> 00:34:01,926 There are very interesting corollaries 596 00:34:01,950 --> 00:34:04,556 for people that have had experiences 597 00:34:04,580 --> 00:34:09,106 with non-human intelligence or uap, ufos, 598 00:34:09,130 --> 00:34:11,936 and those that have had near-deaths 599 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,566 or other forms of out-of-body experience. 600 00:34:15,590 --> 00:34:17,656 In reporting that, there seems to be 601 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:23,246 some layer of reality that we can't often perceive, 602 00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:27,456 that is just right around us all the time, 603 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,746 and we have a problem discussing this. 604 00:34:33,820 --> 00:34:36,626 People say, "it's, like, some other dimension," 605 00:34:36,650 --> 00:34:38,176 or, "it's some higher dimension," 606 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,006 and then somebody will inevitably say, 607 00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:43,596 "well, what is a dimension? 608 00:34:43,620 --> 00:34:45,806 How can you say that it's a dimension, 609 00:34:45,830 --> 00:34:48,516 and how could you possibly know that its higher than ours?" 610 00:34:52,210 --> 00:34:54,936 When a physicist or a neurosurgeon 611 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,946 has an experience, you listen to them, 612 00:34:57,970 --> 00:35:00,116 but when an ordinary person has such, 613 00:35:00,140 --> 00:35:05,996 you don't listen to them, and I'm like, why? Why? 614 00:35:06,020 --> 00:35:09,626 It's the same experience. 615 00:35:09,650 --> 00:35:11,626 The answer to the why is it's the culture, 616 00:35:11,650 --> 00:35:13,796 it's how knowledge is being constructed 617 00:35:13,820 --> 00:35:15,006 at that particular moment, 618 00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:16,796 and how authority is being delegated, 619 00:35:16,820 --> 00:35:21,796 but it actually has nothing to do with the actual experiences 620 00:35:21,820 --> 00:35:24,636 or with what's being communicated. 621 00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:29,386 We have to get to a common point 622 00:35:29,410 --> 00:35:31,056 because there's so many millions of people 623 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,016 that have had experiences 624 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,736 of some just adjacent realm to ours, 625 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:42,826 and by merely putting experiencers of one modality 626 00:35:42,850 --> 00:35:45,486 near experiencers of another modality, 627 00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:48,366 that conversational chain opens up. 628 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,166 The near-death experience is of interest 629 00:35:54,190 --> 00:35:56,166 to those of us who are involved 630 00:35:56,190 --> 00:36:02,006 in examining these edgy topics in human function. 631 00:36:02,030 --> 00:36:05,386 Some of the cases are very famous and known, 632 00:36:05,410 --> 00:36:07,556 and some of them are absolutely staggering. 633 00:36:07,580 --> 00:36:11,726 For example, someone who is blind from birth, 634 00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:14,766 never saw anything... 635 00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:18,526 During a cardiac arrest describes the experience 636 00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:21,696 of lifting out of the body and seeing things, 637 00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:23,196 and then describing them in detail. 638 00:36:23,220 --> 00:36:26,286 I mean, as a physicist I can't even imagine 639 00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:28,406 in principle, I would think unless your brain 640 00:36:28,430 --> 00:36:34,706 has been, you know, processed to interpret optical images, 641 00:36:34,730 --> 00:36:37,376 I mean, I can't imagine how that could occur, 642 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,956 but that was pretty compelling. 643 00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:44,426 The pre-coma me would have said basically 644 00:36:44,450 --> 00:36:46,466 that the brain takes sensory input, 645 00:36:46,490 --> 00:36:51,226 like from eyes, ears, touch, balance systems, et cetera, 646 00:36:51,250 --> 00:36:53,726 assembles that in kind of a version of the now, 647 00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:55,146 involving physical body, 648 00:36:55,170 --> 00:36:57,146 but then you have access to memories 649 00:36:57,170 --> 00:36:58,896 of all the events you've been through, 650 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,066 and the piece I would have missed tremendously, 651 00:37:01,090 --> 00:37:03,236 that I know now since my coma, is very real, 652 00:37:03,260 --> 00:37:06,236 are the aspects of conscious awareness 653 00:37:06,260 --> 00:37:08,406 and information access 654 00:37:08,430 --> 00:37:10,906 that go beyond the Ken of our physical senses. 655 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,246 All that speaks to the issue 656 00:37:14,270 --> 00:37:16,956 that we are somehow connected, 657 00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:18,336 and as a quantum physicist I say, 658 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,296 quantum entanglement, you know. 659 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,586 We're somehow connected to the universe around us 660 00:37:23,610 --> 00:37:27,596 well beyond what we usually take cognizance of 661 00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:30,346 just based on our typical five senses. 662 00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:36,606 A Las Vegas businessman is plopping down 663 00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:38,356 a million dollars to find out 664 00:37:38,380 --> 00:37:40,106 if there is evidence of an afterlife. 665 00:37:40,130 --> 00:37:42,776 Space entrepreneur Robert Bigelow has announced 666 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,656 the creation of a new institute that is devoted to research 667 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,600 into whether human consciousness survives physical death. 668 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,996 Robert Bigelow is an entrepreneur. 669 00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:57,536 He has made most of his money in real estate and hotels, 670 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:02,456 and he's done a lot of work in the aerospace area. 671 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,336 He, just a few years ago, decided to turn his attention 672 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,636 and his resources toward investigating 673 00:38:08,660 --> 00:38:10,660 the evidence for survival of death. 674 00:38:11,740 --> 00:38:14,516 Robert Bigelow's been interested in ufos 675 00:38:14,540 --> 00:38:16,896 for a very long time, I think since he was a young man, 676 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,856 basically, and he decided to offer financial support 677 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,486 to the study of ufos, and he set up a group 678 00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:26,696 called the national institute for discovery science. 679 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:29,826 Nids is the abbreviation, in which he brought together 680 00:38:29,850 --> 00:38:32,036 some of the best people in the field, 681 00:38:32,060 --> 00:38:35,076 among them people like hal puthoff and Jacques vallée, 682 00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:37,536 and a lot of people we are familiar with today. 683 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,076 And that's where I met people 684 00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:42,206 like whitley strieber, John mack, and of course, 685 00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:44,166 Jacques and I were part of that. 686 00:38:46,110 --> 00:38:48,586 Mr. Bigelow's had a long-standing interest 687 00:38:48,610 --> 00:38:54,676 in paranormal phenomena and ufo or alien-type phenomena, 688 00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:58,056 and the paranormal aspects of this. 689 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,766 If you sort of trace it back, 690 00:39:00,790 --> 00:39:03,566 it is a lot of the same people. 691 00:39:03,590 --> 00:39:08,196 I mean, Harry Reid knew Bob Bigelow. 692 00:39:08,220 --> 00:39:10,196 I think he influenced Harry Reid. 693 00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:13,196 He also was the contractor, not surprisingly, 694 00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:15,536 that worked for the a a tip program at the Pentagon 695 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,036 that Harry Reid set up. 696 00:39:17,060 --> 00:39:18,956 As it turns out, Robert Bigelow separately 697 00:39:18,980 --> 00:39:20,416 set up something called 698 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,876 Bigelow institute for consciousness studies. 699 00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:25,206 He decided to put up a lot of money. 700 00:39:25,230 --> 00:39:27,256 I mean, millions of dollars, 701 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,530 to investigate near-death experience. 702 00:39:40,580 --> 00:39:42,606 There isn't funding anywhere else. 703 00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:46,896 Private individuals, especially private individuals with means, 704 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,236 are some of the only people 705 00:39:48,260 --> 00:39:50,236 who are willing to take a risk on this 706 00:39:50,260 --> 00:39:53,736 because they're not worried about their reputation. 707 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,286 So, they have the freedom to take risks, 708 00:39:57,310 --> 00:40:00,916 to go in experimental, edgy directions. 709 00:40:00,940 --> 00:40:04,166 There's not that kind of willingness to explore 710 00:40:04,190 --> 00:40:05,416 within the business world. 711 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,756 In the world of start ups like we think 712 00:40:06,780 --> 00:40:08,086 about people taking risks 713 00:40:08,110 --> 00:40:10,086 and, you know, trying new technologies, 714 00:40:10,110 --> 00:40:13,256 but even that, all is super conservative 715 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,176 compared to doing this kind of research. 716 00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:19,096 When you lose loved ones, 717 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,846 it does provoke that question, "well, did they survive?" 718 00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:25,766 And it's happened to me. 719 00:40:25,790 --> 00:40:28,816 Robert Bigelow has had tragedies, family, 720 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,606 he's lost some loved ones, including his wife, 721 00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:33,986 and so, yeah, I think absolutely 722 00:40:34,010 --> 00:40:36,326 it's not just an intellectual quest. 723 00:40:36,350 --> 00:40:37,600 It's a very personal quest. 724 00:41:01,330 --> 00:41:03,670 It's unfortunate that he felt the need to do that. 725 00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:12,986 Yeah, but those people were only the catalyst. 726 00:41:13,010 --> 00:41:16,406 They aren't the ones still moving the narrative, right? 727 00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:17,986 So, all those people have done... 728 00:41:18,010 --> 00:41:19,656 And I mean this in a positive way, 729 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,036 they brought others in. 730 00:41:22,060 --> 00:41:23,206 Others who looked at the data and said, 731 00:41:23,230 --> 00:41:24,496 "this is worth studying." 732 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,496 This morning, the former leader 733 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,996 of the Pentagon's ufo tracking division 734 00:41:28,020 --> 00:41:29,666 is casting some doubt 735 00:41:29,690 --> 00:41:32,416 on the existence of alien craft. 736 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,716 Sean kirkpatrick is the former director of aaro, 737 00:41:35,740 --> 00:41:38,506 and he's since retired, but he's been doing some press. 738 00:41:38,530 --> 00:41:40,056 After the hearing, 739 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,346 Dr. Sean kirkpatrick refuted rusch's claims 740 00:41:42,370 --> 00:41:45,846 in a letter published on his personal LinkedIn page. 741 00:41:45,870 --> 00:41:47,080 He wrote. 742 00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:57,946 Sean kirkpatrick put a negative spin on it 743 00:41:57,970 --> 00:42:01,196 and said, "well, there's just this group of groupies who are," 744 00:42:01,220 --> 00:42:04,406 you know, "big on ufos and ets and so on, 745 00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:06,076 and they just keep talking to each other 746 00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:07,786 and sharing data back and forth." 747 00:42:07,810 --> 00:42:12,206 That's the scientific method. Nothing wrong with that. 748 00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:13,216 So, there's kind of a disconnect there 749 00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:17,046 between his statement about it 750 00:42:17,070 --> 00:42:20,596 versus the people who are actually involved. 751 00:42:20,620 --> 00:42:22,216 And yet, at the same time, 752 00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:25,436 aaro, the offices he oversaw, 753 00:42:25,460 --> 00:42:28,096 published that, "there's a number of cases 754 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,896 we don't understand, including these metal balls 755 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,566 that seem to be flying around our battlefields." 756 00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:42,446 And they said, "we can't figure it out, 757 00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:44,246 but we're going to tell you it's not et, 758 00:42:44,270 --> 00:42:47,956 'cause we haven't proven it, but it's still moving in ways 759 00:42:47,980 --> 00:42:48,956 that we don't know how to do it." 760 00:42:48,980 --> 00:42:50,586 What else do you call it? 761 00:42:52,820 --> 00:42:54,456 If you want to solve this mystery, 762 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,256 if you want to get to the bottom of this, 763 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,296 the best thing you can possibly do would be 764 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,756 to get the U.S. intelligence community 765 00:43:01,780 --> 00:43:05,136 to take this on, to find the answers, 766 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,766 because they have capabilities that are exquisite. 767 00:43:09,790 --> 00:43:13,276 We have just insane sort of capabilities 768 00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:15,146 the public probably doesn't know about. 769 00:43:15,170 --> 00:43:17,196 We've got satellites in geosynchronous orbit, 770 00:43:17,220 --> 00:43:20,276 in low earth orbit and highly elliptical orbits 771 00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:22,616 and things under the ocean and air platforms, 772 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,996 and new generations of things. 773 00:43:25,020 --> 00:43:27,826 We have 17 different space surveillance capabilities. 774 00:43:27,850 --> 00:43:32,126 Nobody in the science world has capabilities like that, 775 00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:36,126 and I think that gives us hope that within our lifetimes 776 00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:38,216 we may really get to the bottom of this. 777 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,466 It's clear to me at a very high level, 778 00:43:42,490 --> 00:43:44,886 and we're talking the national security council 779 00:43:44,910 --> 00:43:47,306 and the office of the director of national intelligence, 780 00:43:47,330 --> 00:43:49,186 that both of them have directed, 781 00:43:49,210 --> 00:43:51,516 "we do not want to disclose all that we know about uap." 782 00:43:51,540 --> 00:43:54,976 So that is reflected in the latest aaro report, 783 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,186 for example, and with Sean kirkpatrick 784 00:43:57,210 --> 00:44:00,986 is now saying coming out, I'm sure he has some alignment 785 00:44:01,010 --> 00:44:04,076 or association with those two offices. 786 00:44:05,930 --> 00:44:09,996 It seems to me that he is part of the disinformation campaign, 787 00:44:10,020 --> 00:44:12,416 and it's clear the government does not want to disclose. 788 00:44:15,770 --> 00:44:19,336 Well, they can say it's not a ufo 789 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,886 because maybe they've identified it. 790 00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:24,346 And they know what it is, right? 791 00:44:32,290 --> 00:44:34,016 We're in some kind of a race, 792 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,186 and the race is with destiny 793 00:44:38,210 --> 00:44:42,776 human destiny and the destiny of whoever or whatever is here. 794 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,406 You have the defense department resisting every step of the way 795 00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:48,536 because they've got so much to hide, 796 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,036 and the embarrassment when the truth comes out 797 00:44:52,060 --> 00:44:54,376 is going to be, to say the least, fantastic. 798 00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:58,376 Imagine if you did have a recovered craft. 799 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,716 It'd be something the equivalent of taking something back to, 800 00:45:01,740 --> 00:45:04,256 you know, the 1700s and dropping them, like, 801 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,216 a brand new Harley-Davidson motorcycle. 802 00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:09,136 They ain't gonna figure it out. 803 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,556 And they're not gonna figure out the gasoline. 804 00:45:10,580 --> 00:45:12,226 They're not gonna figure out anything. 805 00:45:12,250 --> 00:45:14,096 They might kick it over and it... kaboom! You know? 806 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,936 And kicks off, but... 807 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,566 And that's sort of like where we're at right now. 808 00:45:18,590 --> 00:45:21,396 Some people think, "the government has 809 00:45:21,420 --> 00:45:24,156 the full picture, and they just don't wanna tell us." 810 00:45:24,180 --> 00:45:26,446 I think it's just as likely they're reluctant to tell us 811 00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:28,826 what they know because of a lack of knowledge. 812 00:45:28,850 --> 00:45:31,576 It's because they don't have the answers, 813 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,076 and it scares them because it's like, 814 00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:36,100 where is this stuff from? We don't really know. 815 00:45:57,500 --> 00:45:59,936 Regardless of what happens in Washington, D.C., 816 00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:01,276 with the disclosure narrative, 817 00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:03,276 and who knows where that's gonna go? 818 00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:05,446 The cat has been let out of the bag. 819 00:46:05,470 --> 00:46:08,026 I think there is a growing number of people 820 00:46:08,050 --> 00:46:09,526 who are picking this up 821 00:46:09,550 --> 00:46:13,616 as... as a real, legitimate line of inquiry. 822 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,206 These are anthropologists and, you know, 823 00:46:17,230 --> 00:46:20,456 religious studies people and philosophers. 824 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,530 We're seeing people teaching ufo classes in colleges. 825 00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:28,966 And so this is a brand-new world. 826 00:46:34,660 --> 00:46:38,476 We should be constructing the arguments in a way 827 00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:43,396 that will convince the public that we're serious about it. 828 00:46:47,180 --> 00:46:51,236 You can't claim a scientific conclusion 829 00:46:51,260 --> 00:46:54,906 if you don't produce the science that you used 830 00:46:54,930 --> 00:46:58,746 to come to the conclusion for other people to verify. 831 00:46:58,770 --> 00:47:01,836 Otherwise, it's just an anecdote. 832 00:47:01,860 --> 00:47:07,756 You are passing off as truth, a story. 833 00:47:12,450 --> 00:47:14,096 I actually don't think we'll ever get 834 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:18,346 a scientific model for this because it's not science. 835 00:47:23,710 --> 00:47:26,276 We can go outside right now, and I can try to prove to you 836 00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:28,396 that there are stars in the sky, 837 00:47:28,420 --> 00:47:32,526 and you'll just look at me like, "you're crazy," 838 00:47:32,550 --> 00:47:35,696 and if we couldn't go out at night, 839 00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:38,536 if we were... if we were bound to noon, 840 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,376 you would win the argument every single time. 841 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,706 So, it's actually the context that matters. 842 00:47:44,730 --> 00:47:46,876 It's not me telling you there's stars in the sky. 843 00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:49,126 You won't ever believe me 844 00:47:49,150 --> 00:47:51,546 because there's no way to go out at night in that model, 845 00:47:51,570 --> 00:47:53,256 and so that's really what we need. 846 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,136 We need a way to go out at night and look at the stars, 847 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,726 and we just don't have that yet. 848 00:47:57,750 --> 00:48:00,266 Science is restricted to the sun, 849 00:48:00,290 --> 00:48:03,566 to cognitive reason and the senses, 850 00:48:03,590 --> 00:48:06,066 and this is about altered states 851 00:48:06,090 --> 00:48:08,486 that we don't actually know how to study 852 00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:10,236 because they don't follow those rules. 853 00:48:12,180 --> 00:48:16,996 It may be that all of these experiences, 854 00:48:17,020 --> 00:48:20,326 whether it's a ufo encounter, 855 00:48:20,350 --> 00:48:22,956 whether it's so-called poltergeist activity, 856 00:48:22,980 --> 00:48:25,746 whether it's a near-death experience 857 00:48:25,770 --> 00:48:28,966 or reflections or snapshots in a certain sense 858 00:48:28,990 --> 00:48:34,006 of this extra physical field 859 00:48:34,030 --> 00:48:35,596 in which the psyche participates. 860 00:48:37,790 --> 00:48:40,846 From my perspective, it's a very exciting time 861 00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:43,346 because we're experiencing not only the mainstreaming 862 00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:44,806 of the ufo thesis, 863 00:48:44,830 --> 00:48:48,476 but the conversation around ufos 864 00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:51,606 and the conversation around the psychical 865 00:48:51,630 --> 00:48:54,776 or the extra physical are starting to converge, 866 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,446 and that's a hallmark of our time.